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Watermarks not obeying Section Breaks in Word 2010

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Hello,

I've stepped through the process of separating a document into 2 sections using Section Breaks. I then removed the Link to Previous option so the second section is no longer using the Section 1 header. I then click in the body of the first section which is where I want a watermark to appear.

Now, if I apply one of Word's built in text watermarks, it only appears in Section 1...as it should. But, if I select Custom Watermark, then choose either a Picture or Text watermark (including leaving the built in watermark's text in the custom text field)...it appears in both sections of the document when I click Apply or OK. If I remove it, then add one of the built in watermarks...only appears in Section 1.

What am I missing? Why are Custom Watermarks not being restricted to Section 1 as the built in watermarks are?

I've learned that I can manually delete unwanted watermarks on my Section 2 pages by activating the Header area, selecting the watermark and deleting it, but I'm trying to find out if what's occuring for me is a bug affecting everyone...or something specific to my installation...or simply that I'm missing a step somewhere.

Any ideas or suggestions?
Thanks.

Using Office 2010 Professional Plus on Windows 7

George Briggs
Presentation Choices, Inc.

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GeoPro,

I've seen similar issues in other programs of Office 2010 that have a similar illogical behavior. I just tested what you mentioned above as i have not run into the issue in the past and bingo, same issue on two different boxes that i tested. One with a internal development box and another with a retail version. Both had the same issues.

I would gather that a piece of code (who knows could be a security patch) that is creating this behavior. While there is a work around i.e. open up the section and delete the watermark - that certainly can be a pain if you have to do it ALL the time.

I reached out to a few MVPs as well to make sure that we're all have the same issue and clearly we are.

I'm in the process of submitting this directly through our partner channel. If you come across anything else like this, please post it so we can review.

Thank you for using our Forums, it is much appreciated.


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Thanks MSFT_Eagle. I really appreciate that you jumped in and verified that this issue exists. To help you with what else I've found out...I had also posted my questions here:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/word/thread/0dad349d-42...

Adrian Pa / Microsoft responded with...
"I was reviewing this post and the other post and I wanted to chime in from a Microsoft prospective.

I have tested this behavior in Word 2007 and Word 2010 and in both, the same process works where if you insert a watermark, go to section 2's header and de-select "Link to Previous", then delete the watermark on that section, the watermark is removed.

I then inserted a custom watermark to only section 1 and in both Word 2007 and 2010, it showed up on all pages. I also went back to Word 2003 and it did the same thing.

I also tested using a built-in watermark instead of using Custom Watermark and I can confirm it only puts it in that section.

This behavior is by design of Word to only 1 watermark per document. However, the behavior of custom vs. built-in watermarks, while consistent among Word versions, I agree is not very intuitive. I can submit this to our product group for review of future versions of Word."

Seems strange to me that if this behavior has existed since Word 2003 that at a minimum the Help files would not mention the extra steps needed to remove Custom Watermarks from undesired sections. Hopefully, they'll leave the Help files alone and simply make Custom Watermarks work like built-in ones!

Thanks again!!


George Briggs
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Since Word 2003...the surprises me and clearly the help file should be updated (but that is really only a word around). The system should behave exactly like the templated ones.

Good catch. I already sent an email in through my MSFT Partner Rep.

thank you,


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Thanks again. Love the forums. I'll check in regularly to learn and contribute whenever I can.

George Briggs
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GeoPro,

thank you very much. we really appreciate it. With great contributors like you we'll be able to build a pretty extensive forum for all technical levels.

Thanks again,

Damon

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GeoPro's query helped me find a workaround for my problem. I'm having a similar problem with built-in watermarks in Word 2010. I have a two page letter that I want to watermark on every page. It has a letterhead in the first page header with "different first page". When a letter breaks onto a second page, a subsequent page header appears.

When I create a custom watermark, everything behaves just fine.

However, using a built-in watermark, it will ONLY go onto one page (whichever one). I even tried creating two sections with a Next Page Section Break, Link to Previous de-selected. Same problem: the built-in watermark only goes on one page. As soon as I insert it into the second Section, it disappears from the other Section.

Would appreciate if you would report this to Microsoft. I felt like an idiot telling my boss yesterday I could only place the watermark on one of two pages in his letter! Now I know how to work around this, but it should be fixed. Thanks!

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that is a great point. I'm going to email the partner the partner site your comment(s). Thanks

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that is a great point. I'm going to email the partner the partner site your comment(s). Thanks

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I'm also experiencing an issue with wordmarks. I am trying to print a document that is 8.5" x 11" portrait orientation as a half-page booklet, using Word 2010. All of the images that have been embedded in the header and footer (so that they repeat on each page) remain in single page portrait orientation, even though the rest of the document prints as a booklet (including the text in the footer). Would appreciate any suggestions you might have.

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Hey George,

I think I might have a work around. First post your custom watermark on one page.
Then:
1. Select the header
2. Select Page Layout
3. Select Watermark and then select "Save selection to Watermark Gallery"
4. Select Watermark and then select "Remove Watermark"
5. Select Watermark and then go to the general heading and select your custom water mark

This will only add it to one page. If you want to add it to multiple pages. You can go back to the watermark general heading and right click your custom watermark and select Edit Properties. Then you can copy, paste, and move your watermark to multiple pages. I don't think you have to be in the header, but you can try it either way. When I did this I head all my pages with breaks in-between each break and they were all unlinked.

Hope this helps.

Jon Geiger

P.S. This is my first form post ever...that I can remember at least.


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How do you activate the "Save selection to Watermark Gallery" button? Mine is grey and non-functioning.

Bill

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OMG! This works for Word 2010 as well as 2007
Word: Remove a stubborn watermark

Here’s one I solved for a work colleague…

Problem
Word 2007 document with a stubborn ‘DRAFT’ watermark that won’t budge, despite going to the section and trying to remove it the usual way (Page Layout tab > Watermark > Remove Watermark).

Solution
Watermarks have always been stored as part of the header in Word, so:

Double-click inside the section’s header to open it.
Move your cursor over some of the letters in the watermark until it turns into a 4-way arrow.
Click to select the watermark (you’ll see colored selection handles around the watermark text when it’s selected).
Press the Delete key to remove the watermark.
Repeat for all other sections that have a stubborn watermark that you can’t remove.

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Does not work. When the delete key is pressed, ALL of the watermarks in the entire document are removed. I have section breaks before and after the page on which I want the watermark to appear.

Bill

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THANK YOU! YOUR WAY WAS THE ONLY WAY THAT WORKED TO GET RID OF A STUBBORN WATERMARK! BRILLIANT.

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I'm so grateful to Jon Geiger for laying out so clearly just how to save a custom watermarks in Word 2010 which I have been trying to do for ages without realising I had to select the header first then select the watermark so that the "Save selection to Watermark Gallery" option in the custom menu stops being greyed out.

You've made my day and my week. Thanks Jon